with Author Robert Niemi & Jack Brolly
Interview with MARY GUIBERT conducted May 5th, 1999
F.Y.I. Mary's membername is "Flynpisces" and Bob Niemi's membername is "Lorca".
Your host this evening is "yours truly", Jzero.
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.Jzero1> Hi Mary
FLYNPISCES> Hello, all!
.Jzero1> Where's bob?...Maybe he's having trouble signing on
JAZZ02138> Hi Mary
CELTICRAY> Howdy Ms.G
FLYNPISCES> Hey there!
.Jzero1> Bob's delayed for some reason
.Jzero1> Do you have your coffee with you Mary?
FLYNPISCES> I'm all set.
FLYNPISCES> Hey, Cloud Tiger!
.Jzero1> If Bob continues to have trouble then I'll ask the questions until he gets here
FLYNPISCES> lol! OK.
.Jzero1> Hi Cloudy
CLOUDTIGER> HI
CLOUDTIGER> Our server is VERY busy tonight!
CLOUDTIGER> So that's why I'm a bit late
FLYNPISCES> I've only just arrived, myself.
.Jzero1> I had a feeling that might cause a slight problem
.Jzero1> Are you already exhausted from your busy day, Mary
FLYNPISCES> No, I'm fine.
.Jzero1> Did I tell you that I got a nice email from Suzanne,the young lady who runs the Tim Buckley Archives
CELTICRAY> That's a good page
.Jzero1> Shall we begin, Mary
FLYNPISCES> Sure.
.Jzero1> OK, here we go
.Jzero1> Can you tell us when and where you and Tim were married?
FLYNPISCES> We were married in Anaheim at St. Michael's Episcopal Church.
FLYNPISCES> October of '65
.Jzero1> These questions were prepared by Bob Niemi who apparently is having trouble getting online
.Jzero1> What did your parents think of Tim
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FLYNPISCES> lol! They thought he was a "bad" influence...
LORCA> Hi Jack--had trouble getting on... Bob
.Jzero1> What was your impression of Tim's relationship with his parents
.Jzero1> Hi Bob
FLYNPISCES> Tim adored his mother, a very sweet woman. They were very close.
FLYNPISCES> His father was another story - sort of love/hate thing, Mr. Buckley was a fearful guy to be around, sometimes.
.Jzero1> Why don't you take over Bob...Ladies and Gentlemen ...Bob Niemi
FLYNPISCES> Hi, Bob.
LORCA> Thanks, Jack. Hi Mary. Sorry I had a lot of technical glitches
FLYNPISCES> Where were we?
LORCA> O.k. I'll start--Hope I'm not going over ground Jack already covered...
LORCA> What was Tim's home life like?
FLYNPISCES> Tim was working full time and going to school full time - he helped his mother with the bills.
LORCA> Where did he work?
FLYNPISCES> His father was in and out of work and spent some time in the hospital. He was sometimes a night watchman.
LORCA> Why was he hospitalized?
FLYNPISCES> He was a Korean war veteran, suffered from what we now call post traumatic stress disorder -
FLYNPISCES> Head injury changed him for life.
LORCA> I thought he was in WWII
FLYNPISCES> He alwasy talked about the Korean war and how he had to kill people with his bare hands and such-eery stuff.
LORCA> Did he drink?
FLYNPISCES> He was one of the "Screaming Eagles" commando fighters. He didn't drink around me, that I knew of.
FLYNPISCES> We didn't spend much time visiting with him...We pretty much stayed away from home as much as possible.
LORCA> 82nd Airborne Div. right?
FLYNPISCES> I don't remember, that sounds right.
LORCA> Was he big physically?
FLYNPISCES> Yes - a large man.
LORCA> Did Tim's mother work outside the home?
FLYNPISCES> Oh, yes, I don't remember exactly where she worked, but I'm pretty sure it was secretarial.
LORCA> Jack may have asked this already but do you remember where they lived?
FLYNPISCES> In Anaheim?
LORCA> Yes
FLYNPISCES> Near the high school, actually.
LORCA> What was their house like?
FLYNPISCES> A nice house, middle class neighborhood. Always clean and neat.
LORCA> Did Tim have his own room?
FLYNPISCES> Yes.
LORCA> Did he have hobbies?
FLYNPISCES> Not really - he was totally into music when I met him.
LORCA> Did you know him when the family lived in Bell Gardens?
FLYNPISCES> No. That was just before they moved to Anaheim. But we used to go there to visit his friends.
LORCA> Who were they? What were they like?
FLYNPISCES> Mostly Dan Gordon - everyone played guitar - we always were singing something together.
FLYNPISCES> We had a place we called "two tables"...
LORCA> What kind of student was Tim in h.s.?
FLYNPISCES> a little joint Dan Gordon rented so we could put on shows.
FLYNPISCES> Average.
LORCA> Was "two tables" a private hangout?
FLYNPISCES> It was a room where a pool hall owner stored his extra two pool tables - hence the name,
LORCA> ah huh
FLYNPISCES> We had to arrange the chairs around the two tables.
LORCA> I see...
LORCA> What was your take on Dan Gordon?
FLYNPISCES> Nice guy - grew up to be a brilliant screenwriter and movie producer. That's another story.
FLYNPISCES> He & Tim remained friends until the end.
LORCA> Was Larry Beckett on the scene at this time?
FLYNPISCES> Oh, yes, he & Tim were inseperable in High School.
FLYNPISCES> We were a threesome most of the time.
LORCA> Did you hang out a lot with both guys?
FLYNPISCES> Sure - a lot. It was great fun being with them. Lots of laughs.
LORCA> What did Tim listen to (bands/artists)?
FLYNPISCES> The Weavers, Pete Seeger, Woody Guthrie, Odetta, Judy Henske
FLYNPISCES> Bob Dylan,
LORCA> Beatles?
FLYNPISCES> Hmmm. Of course.
LORCA> Who was his favorite?
FLYNPISCES> That I can't say - I don't remember which one stands out.
LORCA> not Beatle but performer/group
LORCA> o.k.
LORCA> Was Tim doing drugs when you knew him?
FLYNPISCES> No. A little pot, maybe, but nothing any stronger while I was with him.
LORCA> Why did he quit h.s. football. Did he say?
FLYNPISCES> I don't think the coaches at Loara would give him a chance and by then his knees and hands were wrecked.
FLYNPISCES> I think he'd rather use his hands for the guitar.
LORCA> What's Loara?
FLYNPISCES> Right.
FLYNPISCES> He didn't go to Buena Vista, by the way. I think somewhere that name came up and stuck.
LORCA> Oh!
LORCA> Loara is a public high school?
FLYNPISCES> Yes.
LORCA> You were one year behind him right?
FLYNPISCES> Right.
LORCA> How exactly did you meet?
FLYNPISCES> In French class.
LORCA> So Scott Isler got that right
LORCA> Was he persistent?
FLYNPISCES> Persistent? In what way?
LORCA> In "courting" you?
FLYNPISCES> lol! I was this "goody-two-shoes" walking around campus carrying my cello,
FLYNPISCES> dressed in a prim blouse & pleated skirt - what he saw in me then, I didn't know.
FLYNPISCES> But he kept passing me notes in class until I started answering them. lol!
LORCA> What did you find attractive in him?
FLYNPISCES> His rebellious nature and his poetry.
LORCA> How did his rebellious nature manifest itself?
FLYNPISCES> He was the most different guy on campus! Black turtleneck shirt & houndstooth smoking jacket! lol! In those
days, that was DIFFERENT!
FLYNPISCES> and that uncontrollable thatch of curly hair!
LORCA> Would you say he was affected?
FLYNPISCES> He was everything my parents didn't want to see parked in the driveway, and I LOVED IT!
LORCA> So you have a rebellious side too?
FLYNPISCES> He was totally himself ALL THE TIME! A breath of fresh air in my "do it right" life.
LORCA> Funny?
FLYNPISCES> Hilarious!!!
FLYNPISCES> He always made me laugh - we laughed together alot.
LORCA> How so? Did he tell jokes? Do impressions? Act out?
FLYNPISCES> All of the above. He had a dry, Irish sense of humor - full or irony & witticism.
FLYNPISCES> He could turn a phrase, so to speak.
LORCA> Articulate for his age?
FLYNPISCES> Very.
FLYNPISCES> He was very mature, too - a man among the boys, in my eyes.
LORCA> Was he popular with the girls in general?
FLYNPISCES> No. He wasn't a ladies man.
LORCA> Did he have a shy side?
FLYNPISCES> Neither of us was "popular". He was shy around "posuers".
LORCA> How long did you know each other before the relationship got serious?
FLYNPISCES> Well, we "fell in love", so to us it was serious right away.
FLYNPISCES> We dated for almost a year before we married.
LORCA> Exactly when, where & how did you get married?
FLYNPISCES> A quiet little ceremony at my family church's chapel.
LORCA> So you didn't elope or anything?
FLYNPISCES> We'd run away from home and my parents' permission to marry was the "ransome" we asked for.
LORCA> I see.
LORCA> How did Tim's folks feel about it?
FLYNPISCES> lol! They didn't like it at all! Neither set of parents was happy about it, to say the least.
FLYNPISCES> We were WAY too young.
LORCA> Where did you run away to?
FLYNPISCES> La Jolla, then to Dan Gordon's house in Bell Gardens...lol!
LORCA> Why La Jolla?
FLYNPISCES> We just got on the freeway, headed for the Mexican Border, then realized we'd have to go through
LORCA> I see... Did Tim own a car?
FLYNPISCES> the road block at the border, so we stopped in La Jolla and slept in the car.
FLYNPISCES> Tim owned a Triumph T3 convertible. SNAZZY!
LORCA> Really!? Sounds expensive...
FLYNPISCES> Not really, but it broke down a lot - we pushed that sucker in the rain!
LORCA> Well worn huh?
FLYNPISCES> You could say that.
LORCA> Was Tim performing in public by this time (c. 1965)?
FLYNPISCES> Yes - every chance he got - at open mike nights, we used to call them "hoot nights"
FLYNPISCES> at clubs in L.A. and Orange County.
LORCA> At the Troubadour, for example?
FLYNPISCES> Every Tuesday night.
LORCA> Which other clubs?
FLYNPISCES> Leadbelly's, Whisky, The Trip,
LORCA> What did you think of him as a performer?
FLYNPISCES> I can't remember the name of the one in the City of Orange, that's where we met Jackson Browne.
FLYNPISCES> I thought Tim was the greatest singer/songwriter in the world.
LORCA> How did Tim and JB get on?
FLYNPISCES> I don't know much about their relationship, we were barely acquainted when I left the scene.
LORCA> I see. One more question about the marriage--do you recall the exact date?
FLYNPISCES> Oct. 29, 1965.
FLYNPISCES> I was trying to remember the precise date of my marriage to Tim...I haven't checked records, lately.
LORCA> O.k. Where did you live after you got hitched?
FLYNPISCES> In a little apartment we paid $80/month including utillities. lol!
LORCA> Where?
FLYNPISCES> In Anaheim.
LORCA> O.K. You were a senior in high school & Tim had graduated?
FLYNPISCES> Yes, he was attending Fullerton Junior College (now community college)
LORCA> Just for 2 weeks right?
FLYNPISCES> Well, if Tim said so, it's so...my recollection is foggy.
FLYNPISCES> He dropped out around Christmas time - it was probably only a couple of months.
LORCA> O.K. Here's a more sensitive question perhaps. How did Tim react when you discovered you were prgnant?
FLYNPISCES> We were both scared. It wasn't planned,of course...and he was just leaving town to tour NYC to break in his band.
FLYNPISCES> Putting a baby into the picture was a daunting prospect.
LORCA> You don't have to answer this one but did you both want the baby?
FLYNPISCES> You know...I don't think I can answer for Tim on this...but I wanted him. That was enough for me.
LORCA> Yes.
FLYNPISCES> He was 18, I was 17...that pretty much answers that.
FLYNPISCES> Just put yourself in his shoes.
LORCA> Tim went to NYC in the summer of '66. How were you getting along at that point?
FLYNPISCES> I thought so...we weren't fighting or anything - just drifting apart.
LORCA> Was he gone more often?
FLYNPISCES> I think we were just reaching the average life span of a teenage relationship.
FLYNPISCES> Had we not gotten married when we did, it might have ended just like all other "puppy love" situations did in those days.
LORCA> Yes. Did he write or call frequently while he was in NYC?
FLYNPISCES> No. I didn't hear from him, much. That was my first clue that something was wrong.
LORCA> Did you save the letters he did write?
FLYNPISCES> No. I burned them in despair, just after Jeff was born. I thought I'd hear from him, but I didn't.
FLYNPISCES> I was suffering from post partum blues, I think.
LORCA> Jim Fiedler claims that you put an ultimatum to Tim.
FLYNPISCES> I don't know where he got that...
LORCA> Why would he say such a thing?
FLYNPISCES> I asked Tim, in a meeting we had on his return from NYC, what he wanted me to do?
LORCA> What did he say?
FLYNPISCES> Tim said, "whatever you want". For me that meant divorce. I knew Tim had a wonderful future ahead of him, and I was his biggest fan. I would never have tried to come between him and his career.
LORCA> You met at an L.A. coffee shop in Oct. '66?
FLYNPISCES> I knew our relationship was over, and just surrendered to circumstances.
LORCA> I see. How was Tim about it? Guilty?
FLYNPISCES> I was 5.5 months along when we met - I'd have to do the math to figure out what month it was.
FLYNPISCES> You know, I never got to talk to him about what feelings he had. One can only assume
LORCA> Jeff was born on Nov. 17th?
FLYNPISCES> that he must have felt bad about not seeing his son...but I won't put words in his mouth.
FLYNPISCES> Right 11/17.
LORCA> Did Tim attend the birth?
FLYNPISCES> No. Like I said - I'd hoped to hear from him...
FLYNPISCES> But I don't even know how he found out about Jeff's birth at all.
LORCA> Did he contact you after that?
FLYNPISCES> We got together three or four times...
LORCA> What was that like?
FLYNPISCES> after I'd left home with my baby and set up housekeeping in North Hollywood.
FLYNPISCES> We'd set up a meeting place and I'd bring little Jeff.
FLYNPISCES> He'd hold him, we'd talk...nothing intimate, just small talk.
FLYNPISCES> and then, he'd move and not leave a forwarding address.
FLYNPISCES> So, we lost touch.
LORCA> Did he help with any child support money?
FLYNPISCES> I got word from a friend that he found it hard to see us and I took the hint.
FLYNPISCES> Always took care of child support. We got a check from his accountant every month.
LORCA> Was that in the divorce decree?
FLYNPISCES> Sure.
LORCA> When was the divorce finalized?
FLYNPISCES> When? Six months after I filed.
FLYNPISCES> When Jeff was an infant.
LORCA> O.k. Did you listen to his records after 11/66?
FLYNPISCES> I was given a copy of Dream Letter, but didn't seek to listen, too painful.
LORCA> Did you ever hear HAPPY SAD?
FLYNPISCES> Yes.
FLYNPISCES> My second husband was not too keen on Tim Buckley records.
LORCA> What did you think of "Dream Letter," the song?
FLYNPISCES> I heard it first on the radio - it made me cry...because it expressed such tender feelings for a son who'd never hear them from his own lips.
LORCA> Do you think he was sincere in the song?
FLYNPISCES> It IS entitled *dream* letter - I think he may have wished that he knew a way to fit us in his life and still take the road he was about to take...but I don't think he ever acted on that dream.
LORCA> Yes... Do you think he felt a lot of guilt?
FLYNPISCES> I can't say that. I wasn't with him to know.
LORCA> Abandoning you & Jeff was a terrible thing. Did you ever forgive him?
FLYNPISCES> I'm going to take a long time to answer this one - bear with me...
LORCA> o.k.
FLYNPISCES> If I had a son who was as talented as Tim was, and he made a mistake with a girl his own age that could hinder an otherwise unobstructed career, I'd hope he could make whatever choice his conscience and circumstances afforded him and learn to live with the consequences. Both Tim and I had choices to make. We made them, we lived by them.
LORCA> A compassionate response...
FLYNPISCES> I feel strongly that if Tim had lived, he would have done right by his son.
FLYNPISCES> In every way.
LORCA> He saw Jeff again around Easter '74 (or '75?)
FLYNPISCES> Yes. That's a very poignant story. A long one.
LORCA> Do you want to talk about it?
FLYNPISCES> I'll try to give you the highlights.
LORCA> o.k.
FLYNPISCES> My second marriage had ended, and I was thinking about trying to get in touch with Tim, again, just to let him know that it would be possible for him to see his son, again.
FLYNPISCES> I opened the paper and saw an ad for a "one night only" performance of Tim's in a nearby club. I called during his sound check and made arrangements for my son and I to attend.
FLYNPISCES> Tim left us tickets at the door and we watched the first set together.
FLYNPISCES> During the intermission, we went back to the dressing room and Jeff flew into his father's arms.
FLYNPISCES> They held each other for the first time since he was a toddler...and the scene was the most heartrending sight I'd seen in my life.
FLYNPISCES> I left them alone and when Jeff returned to our seats he had a grin as big as his face. After the show, Tim's wife, Judy asked if they could take Jeff home with them for a brief visit.
FLYNPISCES> I agreed, and brought his clothes from home to where Tim was living the following day. They spent four days together during that Easter vacation.
FLYNPISCES> Jeff returned, with a matchbook with his father's phone number written in it, and a new outfit.
FLYNPISCES> That was two months before Tim died.
LORCA> So sad...
FLYNPISCES> It was wonderful! Just think! If it hadn't happened - no it was glorious!
FLYNPISCES> It's the best thing I ever did for that boy!
LORCA> Yes I see what you mean.
FLYNPISCES> That and letting him own his own music, of course!
LORCA> Did you go to Tim's funeral?
FLYNPISCES> We were not invited.
LORCA> Why not?
FLYNPISCES> I don't know, and I'd rather not dwell on that issue.
LORCA> O.k. let's move past that. I forgot to ask you about Tim's sister, Kathleen? How much younger was she than Tim?
FLYNPISCES> She was just five when I met her. Cute as a button! That would make her 12 years his junior.
LORCA> O.k. I've pretty much covered my prepared questions (though I could go on for hours--but I won't). Any particulalrly telling anecdotes about Tim you care to relate?
FLYNPISCES> There are others in the room, I'll open it up to anything I can answer...but take your time.
.Jzero1> Bob...Could we ask Mary about her friend Larry Beckett and of course Fred Neil?
FLYNPISCES> Shoot!
.Jzero1> What was Larry like?
LORCA> Oh yes, Fred. How did he & Tim meet?
.Jzero1> I'm sorry Bob
LORCA> No problemo
FLYNPISCES> When I met Tim, he was already "attached" to Larry. They were the fearsome twosome at Loara.
FLYNPISCES> They would start reciting ancient English poetry in the quad during lunch..
FLYNPISCES> Just blowing all those "tidy" people away!
FLYNPISCES> Everyone thought they were either crazy or brilliant - I belonged to the latter.
LORCA> Did Tim write the music before Larry wrote the lyrics or what?
FLYNPISCES> Both were prolific poets, each fed on the others' creativity - sometimes they just swapped poetry, and Tim would supply melody, for most.
LORCA> Did Tim read a lot of poetry?
FLYNPISCES> I'd be hard pressed to name one...they mostly wrote it themselves.
FLYNPISCES> Karouac, is the only one that comes to mind.
FLYNPISCES> that and Lord Buckley.
LORCA> On the Road?
FLYNPISCES> Yes, and all the other "beat" poets.
LORCA> Uh huh... and Ken Nordine records?
FLYNPISCES> That, doesn't ring a bell, sorry.
.Jzero1> How did Tim meet Fred Neil?
FLYNPISCES> but I'm sure there's lots of Tim material that would shed more light on that.
FLYNPISCES> My time line is only two years in there! lol!
LORCA> Was Tim a movie fan?
FLYNPISCES> Do you want Fred Neil or movie stuff?
.Jzero1> go bob
LORCA> Let's go with Fred first
FLYNPISCES> We met him at Herb Cohen's house - he bunked there when he was in town.
LORCA> When would this be?
FLYNPISCES> Bob, don't ask - somewhere between the wedding and the divorce...lol!
LORCA> O.k. What was your "take" on Neil?
FLYNPISCES> I just "heard" him, mostly. He stayed in the guest room and strummed his guitar...incredible voice..
FLYNPISCES> It shook the pictures on the wallss.
LORCA> Were he and Tim close?
FLYNPISCES> I don't know.
LORCA> BTW, were you living at Cohen's house?
FLYNPISCES> I was, helping with his little daughter, Tim was there and gone, again.
LORCA> What was your take on Herb?
FLYNPISCES> He was a very powerful man, and very savvy in matters legal.
LORCA> Yes--film question. Was Tim a movie buff?
FLYNPISCES> Not that I know of...we didn't spend much time in the theater, but he had a great knowledge of classic films, and that was pre-video rental!
LORCA> What did you do on dates, typically?
FLYNPISCES> We used to go to Guerrilla Theater - a live performance, impromptu theater in L.A.
FLYNPISCES> We'd go to clubs to hear folk music..
FLYNPISCES> We'd drive to Laguna Beach...
FLYNPISCES> Sit on the sand and watch the waves crashing in.
LORCA> I was there last fall--quite ritzy now. What was it like in '65-'66?
FLYNPISCES> Very much an artists' community. Quaint and picturesque.
LORCA> Tim lived there later, in 1970
FLYNPISCES> I've been told.
Jzero1> May I ask a few questions, Mary
FLYNPISCES> Sure, shoot.
.Jzero1> Which of Tim's songs were your favorites?
FLYNPISCES> I've just been revisiting my copy of the Dream Letter double CD, It's perfection.
FLYNPISCES> I couldn't pick a favorite song to save my life.
.Jzero1> Were any of tim's songs written to you or about you that you are aware of?
FLYNPISCES> Well, I don't think there's any dispute that "I Never Asked To Be Your Mountain" was written about me.
FLYNPISCES> Dream Letter is certainly about me and Jeff...
FLYNPISCES> any other reference to me would have to come from the man who wrote the songs, and I don't presume
.Jzero1> How do you feel about the resurgence of Tim's popularity among young artists?
FLYNPISCES> It's great!
.Jzero1> How do you feel about the possibility
FLYNPISCES> Bless their hearts, but no one sings like Tim.
FLYNPISCES> That voice is pure heaven.
.Jzero1> How do you feel about the possibility of young musicians covering Tim's songs?
FLYNPISCES> More power to them! Sing on!
JAZZ02138> May I please chime in, it's really late here!
.Jzero1> Mary, you're a powerhouse, thanks for handling every question with dignity and grace.
FLYNPISCES> Please, do!
JAZZ02138> Thanks!
FLYNPISCES> I'm happy to do this.
.Jzero1> go jazz
JAZZ02138> I saw Tim Thanksgiving 1974
FLYNPISCES> Yes?
LORCA> You've been wonderfully gracious--thanks so much.
JAZZ02138> and we discussed Jeff
FLYNPISCES> REALLY?
FLYNPISCES> Tell me, please.
JAZZ02138> He said there would be lots of time to get to know him when he was older.
STANAGOL> Mary, did Jeff hear "Look at the Fool", since it was Tim's most recent album when they met right before his death?
FLYNPISCES> Jazz: I'm so glad that you said that - it's a comfort to me, it substantiates my belief that he hadn't forgotten his son.
FLYNPISCES> Did he say more?
JAZZ02138> He did not forget him!
FLYNPISCES> I weep with thanks!
JAZZ02138> Yes, he said he didn't have a good relationship with you and didn't feel welcome.
JAZZ02138> I told him tht was no excuse for not seeing Jeff.
FLYNPISCES> He never knew how much I forgave him! He didn't know how great my love for him was!
JAZZ02138> I wrote Jeff a letter,
FLYNPISCES> He didn't know that I'd rush to his side with his son if only he would call.
FLYNPISCES> You did?
JAZZ02138> and told him about how Tim wanted to know him as he got older.
FLYNPISCES> I'm so glad you did! That must have meant much to him.
JAZZ02138> Yes I sent it overnight to the club he was at on New Years Eve.
FLYNPISCES> Which year?
JAZZ02138> Not sure, I think the year he died.
FLYNPISCES> Oh! God, I'm SOOO glad you did that! Thank you, so much! I can't say!
JAZZ02138> He must have gotten it
JAZZ02138> It wasn't sent back
FLYNPISCES> I'm sure he did. Thank God!
JAZZ02138> I told him how Tim wasn't capable of more at the time.
FLYNPISCES> He knew - and if he didn't know then, he knows, now. I have letters he wrote that prove to me that he understood.
JAZZ02138> It was Tim's stuff and had nothing to do with his feelings for Jeff.
FLYNPISCES> I know he was so compassionate that he understood what his father must have felt.
JAZZ02138> I'm so glad.
FLYNPISCES> You know...Tim had a good heart, and thought he had all the time in the world.
JAZZ02138> It pained me deeply.
JAZZ02138> Yes he did!
JAZZ02138> He was looking foward to so many things.
FLYNPISCES> It pained us all - the horrible silence - but love conquers all!
JAZZ02138> But, he was very tired too.
FLYNPISCES> He was SO tired! I wish I could have been a comfort to him. The walls were too high.
JAZZ02138>The last time I talked with him I said "what next?" and he said "cardiac arrest".
JAZZ02138> Tim had a lot to cope with.
FLYNPISCES> Oh, my God.
JAZZ02138> He had no record contract
FLYNPISCES> Too much history and hysteria, and no one to support him creatively.
JAZZ02138> He had trouble dealing with his emotions.
STANAGOL> I was under the impression that Tim was excited about playing Woody Guthrie
JAZZ02138> Yes he was.
FLYNPISCES> That would have beenn wonderful for him.
FLYNPISCES> He was born to play that part.
JAZZ02138> I have a screenplay that he wrote with Dan Gordon
FLYNPISCES> Way back when...?
JAZZ02138> Do you know about his writing with Dan?
JAZZ02138> Had "air conditioned " in the title
FLYNPISCES> No. But I know they would have been great collaborators.
STANAGOL> Is it the one with an Indian and Herb Cohen in an elevator?
LORCA> Full Air-conditioned Inside?
JAZZ02138> No, this wasn't too good
JAZZ02138> Yes, that's it
JAZZ02138> I thought it was very weird
FLYNPISCES> LOL!
JAZZ02138> I haven't read it in years
LORCA> Tim called it a million dollar comedy that no one would finance
JAZZ02138> That's funnny
FLYNPISCES> LOLOL! Estute as ever!
STANAGOL> I remember reading that, it was pretty off the wall, kinda like STARSAILOR
JAZZ02138> Not surprised.
FLYNPISCES> They were ahead of their time, for sure.
JAZZ02138> Like they'd taken acid.
LORCA> Maybe they did!
FLYNPISCES> Didn't a lot of people,then?
JAZZ02138> Not me.
LORCA> Well, yes...
FLYNPISCES> Good for you - me neither.
JAZZ02138> I just did grass
.Jzero1> Jazz...Do you mind, if I ask again, who you are?
JAZZ02138> I'd rather not say.
JAZZ02138> Just knew him from 67 to 75
FLYNPISCES> I'd rather not dwell on the *drug thing*, if you all don't mind.
.Jzero1> Well, that's a good idea.
JAZZ02138> That's fine with me, but he was NO ADDICT!!
.Jzero1> Thanks again Mary for coming by this evening.
FLYNPISCES> Jazz: That's born out by the autopsy report. For sure.
LORCA> I want to second that--you've been great
.Jzero1> would you like to say anything in closing
FLYNPISCES> Thanks, guys.
JAZZ02138> Yes, that's so.
JAZZ02138> They didn't get him to the hospital
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